As usual, he asked to take a walk, and they strolled the grounds to a redwood grove with a picnic table.
"He told me he wanted a new board because he wanted to start fresh," Markkula said.
"He was worried that I might take it poorly, and he was relieved when I didn't."
They spent the rest of the time talking about where Apple should focus in the future.
Jobs's ambition was to build a company that would endure, and he asked Markkula what the formula for that would be.
Markkula replied that lasting companies know how to reinvent themselves.
Hewlett - Packard had done that repeatedly;
it started as an instrument company, then became a calculator company, then a computer company.
"Apple has been sidelined by Microsoft in the PC business," Markkula said.
"You've got to reinvent the company to do some other thing, like other consumer products or devices.
You've got to be like a butterfly and have a metamorphosis."
Jobs didn't say much, but he agreed.