Well, I was a skydiver before I was a computer scientist so I started skydiving when I turned
我在做计算机科学家之前曾做过空中跳伞 我十八岁开始跳伞
18 and I wrote my first computer program probably when I was 19, so the order is definitely
大概十九岁时写了第一个电脑程序
sky diving then computer science.
所以显然跳伞是排在计算机科学之前
But I skydived for a very long time.
我跳伞跳了很长时间
I've obviously worked in the technology field for a long time.
当然我显然做科技也做了很久
I had pretty much given up skydiving at one point when I moved out of California in 1984
1984年我搬离加利福尼亚时一度放弃了跳伞
and didn't make another skydive for a very long time.
在之后相当长时间内没有跳过一次伞
Meanwhile I started flying airplanes and working in technology companies, working on management.
但与此同时我开始开飞机 在科技公司工作 做管理工作

And it wasn't until maybe six or seven years ago that I got the bug to skydive again and
直到六七年前 我心里痒痒又开始跳伞
so for that I got requalified in skydiving and then it's a long story but I ended up
所以我又重考了跳伞证 之间经历很多事情
deciding to try a stratospheric skydive as well.
总之最后我决定尝试一下平流层跳伞
The key inside that I think I had and that the team had was trying to build a capsule,
其中的关键性技术问题是 我和我团队想要做一个造一个飞行舱
a large capsule, maybe pressurized, maybe not, with lots of the infrastructure for going
很大的飞行舱 或加压或不加
up was not the best way to accomplish what we were trying to accomplish.
带很多东西上天并不是我们想要的最佳方案
It was also not necessarily safest or the cheapest way to get into the stratosphere.
而且那样上平流层不一定最安全 最经济
And for us we wanted to take the analogy of scuba diving that if you're a scuba diver
而我们想要一种类似水肺潜水的空潜 如果你是水肺潜水者
you take exactly what you need with you and nothing else underneath the water and we wanted
你会只带你需要的东西下水 而我们就是想要一种
to find a stratosphere equivalent.
能在平流层做空潜的仪器
And so that's where we built, scuba diving for the stratosphere.
所以我们做了适用于平流层的“潜水器”
The suit was designed by ILC Dover.
这套装备是由ILC Dover 公司设计的
They built all the Apollo suits.
这个公司曾研发了阿波罗号所有的装备
They build all of the extra vehicle activity suits for the Space Shuttle, International
他们也包揽了美国太空梭、国际空间站、宇航员其他所有运载设备的研制
Space Station, American astronauts, so they had a lot of experience of building space suits.
他们在研制空间装备方面可谓具备非常丰富的经验
The challenge in this case was they were doing a lot of things that they had never done before.
而这次的挑战是 他们做了很多从未做过的事情
First they had never worked with a private citizen on a project, they were used to these
首先他们从未跟个人合作过项目 他们做的都是那种
very long government programs that take years and years even to get the approval to move to the next step.
长期的政府项目 经常得花数年时间才能获得批准 然后再进行下一步
And here they were acting like a startup company.
然而这次他们却如同新创公司
They built a suit from scratch to deployment and testing probably in a period of a year
他们花了大约一两年时间从零开始设计这个装备 直到部署、测试
or two and that probably is about the same time that they had to put a proposal for something else.
然后又花了差不多同样时间做了一个其他什么东西的方案
It was the first suit that had been certified from scratch and put into production in probably
这是他们第一个花了近三十年从零开始设计直到投入生产的设备
30 years so it was a big undertaking for them to do.
所以对他们说这真是个很大的投入
As far as the technology for the suit, no suit had ever been heated before, it had only been cooled.
从技术方面来说 从没有哪种设备是要加热的 只有要冷却的
This suit had an internal frame that was used to support the equipment module.
这件装备有一个内部框架来支持设备组件
It had to have thermal connections between it; the suit architecture was very different
还得有热量连接线路 该设备的构造也很不一样
because we wanted to make sure that there was no fogging and we also needed to guarantee
因为我们想保证不会形成雾气 而且消耗
that we would use the minimum amount of oxygen.
最少量的氧气
So normally these systems flood oxygen by you and so they don't have to worry about
一般来说系统会在你周围释放氧气 所以不需要担心
carbon dioxide, but we wanted to use much less oxygen and we wanted to eliminate the
二氧化碳的问题 但我们想用更少量的氧气 同时还想
possibility that you would end up with any kind of moisture or freezing on the faceplate.
避免面罩上有任何湿气或冰碴的可能性
So we had to design an entirely new architecture and they were fantastic.
所以我们设计了一种全新的构造 他们棒极了
We had five airplane jumps where we got used to flying the suit and learned a little bit
我们从飞机上试跳了五次 慢慢适应了这套装备 并且学会了
about how to control the suit in free fall.
如何在自由落体时操控这套装备
And we followed that up by three balloon jumps, first from 57,000 feet, the second one 105,000
后来我们又在热气球上跳过三次 第一次从57,000 英尺的高空 第二次是105,000英尺
feet and the third was a record jump from 135,890 feet.
第三次是打破纪录的135,890英尺
The speeds that we acquired during that jump we broke mark one in about 37 seconds of that
在那次太空跳中 我们自由落体的速度在37秒内打破记录
free fall and we reached our highest speed 822 miles an hour in about 51 seconds.
在51秒时达到了最高时速822英里/小时
I mean the problems with the capsule are they're a bit complicated, they're heavy, which requires
但这个飞行舱的问题在于它有点复杂 而且太重
a very, very large balloon to be able to lift them.
每次都得用一个非常非常大的气球才能提起它
So because the balloon is so large it actually requires a different launch technique to use.
气球太大又得需要用一种不一样的发射技术
And so by making the system a lot smaller and a lot lighter, which you could use a much
所以得把整个系统做得更小更轻一些 这样
smaller balloon and then in turn the smaller balloon allows you to use a much simpler and
就可以用更小的气球 而小一点的气球只需要更简单和
I think safer launch system.
我认为更安全的发射系统
So at the start we had a lot going for us.
最开始我们碰到了很多问题
The second thing is the interconnection between the balloon and the skydiver has caused issues in the past.
其次就是气球和飞行器的连接装置在过去曾引起些问题
In a previous attempt, for instance, somebody was unable to disconnect the oxygen and therefore
比如在之前一次试跳中有人因为没办法切断氧气
had to ride down with the balloon and it was a harrowing experience when Joe Kittinger
就只好坐着气球下来 还有一次可怕的经历是
in 1960 tried to get out of his balloon he had trouble getting out of the seat.
1960年Joe Kittinger 想从气球里出来 但他却连出座位都困难
So there was lots of different issues associated with capsules.
所以这些飞行器还有很多问题
And the other really bad thing about a capsule is if you're depending on the ship's oxygen
飞行舱另外一个非常不好的缺点是 如果你整个过程都依赖于飞船的氧气
for most of the trip and you're just going to have what's called a bail out bottle of
而且你只有这一瓶保命氧气
oxygen, as soon as you disconnect from that capsule the time is set.
一旦你脱离飞行舱 时间就是设定的
You have exactly maybe 15 minutes to get into breathable air or you're going to die.
你只有15分钟时间进入可呼吸的空气层 否则的话你就死定了
The nice piece about a scuba like system is that I have five hours of oxygen so there's
而类似水肺潜水器的系统的好处就是 我有5个小时的氧气量 所以
nothing compelling for me to get out, disconnect and get down right away.
我根本不着急被迫出舱 断开连接 然后马上跳下
I have lots of time. So if the parachute opens high that's not an issue.
因为我有充足的时间 就算是降落伞提早在高空打开都不是问题
So there's a lot of safety aspects that come into this particular design, a lot of redundancies
所以这种特别的设计里有很多安全考虑
that came into this design to make it much safer on a lot of different dimensions.
在设计上也进行了诸多取舍 只为让它在各个方面都更安全
How do you look at a problem area and try to understand whether the approach that's
那么你是如何看待问题部分并且去体会
always been taken is the right one or not?
你每次采取的措施正确与否?
And I think the biggest thing for me is you kind of try to go back to first principles,
对我来说 我觉得你应该追溯源头:
what is the problem that you're trying to solve?
你想要解决的是什么问题?
And don't look at every other solution in that space, but look at solutions in other
不要看在那个领域的其他解决方法 而是要看
spaces around it and try to figure out parallels.
在其他相关领域的解决方案 并且试着找出我们相应的解决办法
So in my case what I wanted to do is be able to explore the stratosphere.
在我这里就是 我想要做的事情就是探索平流层
I wanted to be up in the stratosphere and I wanted to be able to do anything once I'm in the stratosphere.
我想到达那个空间 并且在那里 做任何事情
So a capsule idea doesn't really get you – it's hard to get the capsule up in the stratosphere,
所以一个飞行舱的问题根本难不住你 难的是你得把它飞上平流层
it's complicated, but the main issue is it doesn't allow me to do anything that I want in the stratosphere.
这很复杂 但主要问题还是在于 它不能让我在平流层做我想要做的事情
So let's say I wanted to take a balloon trip and then come back down with the balloon.
这样说吧 我想进行乘气球旅行然后再乘气球返回
Well, if I build a capsule then I have to have a whole different capsule designed for going up and coming down.
如果我造要飞行舱 那么我就得造一个能上去下来的完全不同的飞行舱
Or let's say I all of a sudden decided I wanted to go up in a sailplane, you know there're some fabulous
或者说 我突然决定乘滑翔机上去 你知道现在有很多方式可用
efforts right now to see if you can use, you know, around the Andes and even in South
比如在安第斯山脉甚至在南美洲都有
America these poler lifts that they think might be able to allow a sailplane to get up to maybe 100,000 feet.
这种撑索能帮助滑翔机 上升到近10,0000英尺的高空
So if you got this capsule well now I want to use a sailplane so I have to start over
所以当你有了飞行舱 现在又想用滑翔机 你就只能一切重来
because I have to combine building an aircraft and a life support system.
重新造一个飞机和与之配套的生命支持系统
But let's imagine separating those two.
但让我们想象一下把二者分开
Let's say I'm just going to build a life support system then I can conceivably just go into
比如说 我就只想建立一个生命支持系统 那么我可以只是想象一下
any sailplane and be able to do that.
进入滑翔机 我完全可以这样做
So the key for me is step away from it, look at the problem you're trying to solve and
所以关键是要先退一步 看看你想解决的问题
then start looking at all the possible solutions for that class of problem in all the domains that are around it.
然后再开始考虑所有领域里有关那个问题的 所有可能的解决办法
And if you do that you'll often find insights that make the problem that used to be incredibly
这样做之后你会经常从之前那些
complex and incredibly expensive you can find a different approach that might be a lot cheaper,
解决起来超复杂超昂贵的问题里发现 也许有更经济廉价的解决方法
it might be a lot easier, it might be a lot safer, it might cost a lot less, but the issue
而且可能更简单 更安全 它花费更少 唯一的问题就是
is when you first come up with it people are going to kind of think you're crazy.
当你刚提出来时人们或许觉得你疯了
Because the first time you ever think about something in a totally new domain the initial
因为第一次涉及一个全新领域 人们的第一反应
reaction is always going to be negative, not because the people don't love you, not because
总是负面的 并不是因为他们不喜欢你 也不是因为
they don't care about you, but because nobody has seen this problem in that dimension.
他们不在乎你 而是因为还没有人从这个角度看过这个问题
And they'll continue for a while.
这种看法会持续一段时间
And then there's this moment, which I love, which is when something goes from the impossible
然后就在某个时刻 (我爱死这一刻了) 当不可能变成了可能
and it will quickly go to the inevitable.
这件事情就会迅速变成必然之事
And so it's that moment of impossible to inevitable and in many technologies that swap happens
就是这个从不可能变成必然的时刻 以及科技领域每月(而不是20年)的日新月异
not over 20 years, but over a month and that's what excites me.
让我感到振奋