Man: And do you think these findings are equally important for small businesses?
Woman: Yes, even more so.
Small businesses don't have time to train people to the extent that large organisations do.
It's particularly important to them that graduates have the skills to go into the workplace and make a contribution right from the start.
I think the key skills that we've already talked about, together with work experience, are very helpful in that situation.
Man: And finally, what should the business community and the world of higher education be aiming for in the future?
Woman: We need to work more in partnership and that requires effort, I think, on both sides.
Business leaders could invest more time in higher education, for example sitting on higher education councils, collaborating on research.
Some of this goes on already, but more links are needed.
And while business solutions don't apply exactly to higher education, we still have a lot to offer in terms of the management of change.
Man: Susan Gates - thank you for coming to the studio to talk to us.