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I think the country has changed. I think we're sick of the forever wars and that Trump has actually tapped into something. Now, is John Bolton gonna be spoiler -- is he gonna be the guy that brings down Donald Trump? First of all, I don't think there's anything there to bring him down over. And number two, I just don't think John Bolton wants to end his career as being someone who spoiled things. I mean, I think he feels -- he's someone who has a lot to say. I don't agree with him on a lot of things. But I think that's the end of -- that's a career ender -- Yeah. -- not a career beginner. Somebody said in National Interest that he, "Bolton is weary of Trump, but unwilling to officially cross him." And it sounds like you agree. I would agree. All right. I want to talk to you about Michael Flynn, who you worked very closely with. Yes. And the IG report, the inklings that we have so far suggest that an FBI agent, someone who was working on this case, may have misquoted or altered his statement or altered something about their discussion with him. What's your reaction when you hear that? Well, first of all, I've not talked to Mike Flynn since the day he left the White House. I talked to him on the phone a week after just to make sure he was okay. But I think that Mike Flynn -- something happened. And I'm not quite sure what. Even though I know him, I worked very closely with him. But something happened, either the intelligence community decided they wanted to get rid of him because he was going to reform the intelligence community and they were afraid of that, or because he was a weak link. Now, how do you get to Trump? Let's look for any opportunity. I mean, we've just seen three years of, "How do we get Trump?" It's the Russia hoax, it's Ukraine, it's whatever, porn stars, who knows? But I think Mike Flynn may have been the initial weak link and they thought they could go after him unintelligible. Do you think he did anything wrong? I don't know. I mean, I was not in those meetings that he supposedly told the FBI agents one thing and then he perjured himself.
I do think he did something wrong by not filing himself as a foreign agent, particularly in the Turkish dealings. But -- Right. -- but, you know, it's the job of a national security advisor to talk to foreign leaders -- Yeah. -- prior to a president taking office. I want to get your thought on Fiona Hill. Because I know that something stood out to you in her testimony. And you hired her -- I did. I did. -- or you were part of that process to hire -- No, I hired her. -- a Russia expert. She suggested that the Russians created this whole Ukrainian narrative, that it was really Ukraine and not Russia. And she suggested that they successfully convinced Rudy Giuliani, who convinced President Trump, that it was all in the Ukraine and that there was something bad going on there to deflect from Russia. She suggested that they fell for that story from the Russians. Is she right? I think she's probably right. I mean, there's pretty -- to my mind, there's evidence that is irrefutable evidence that the Russians mucked around in our 2016 election and they want to do it again. But if you also look back at Russian history, Soviet history, what have they been doing for the last 70 years? They've been trying to get into our political system and sow dissent. And I think that's what they did this time. And I think the one guy who's particularly happy with the way things are going is Vladimir Putin. Look how we're destroying ourselves. So, is the president wrong to be going down this Ukraine rabbit hole? I think Ukraine -- it's Russia. And whether Ukraine had a part in it or not, the main actor was Russia. And I think that the president's interest in Ukraine is, "Why give these guys money when they're the most corrupt country in the world? Clean up your act, then we'll give you some money." I know that you said he said something on the call that he probably shouldn't have said as well with regard to Joe Biden. So, we have a lot more to talk about, so we're gonna have you back -- Okay. Sounds good. -- very soon. K.T. McFarland, thank you very much. Thanks, Martha. The new book is called, "Revolution."
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我觉得国家发生了改变
。我觉得我们厌恶了无尽的战争,特朗普的确探寻出了一些东西 。目前,约翰·博尔顿正在搞破坏——他是那个要打倒唐纳德·特朗普的人吗?首先,我认为没有什么东西能打倒他 。其次,我认为约翰·博尔顿还想继续搞破坏 。我是说,我认为他感觉——他有许多话要说 。我和他在许多问题上的意见不合 。但我认为那是尽头——那是事业的尽头——是的 。——而非事业的开端 。《国家利益》杂志上,有人评论他说,“博尔顿厌倦了特朗普,但他不愿意正式地反对他 。”听上去你可能会同意这个观点 。我同意 。好的 。我想和你说说迈克尔·弗林,你之前和他共事,关系比较近 。是的 。IG报告,我们目前为止略知一二的是,一个调查这个案子的FBI特工可能错误引用或更改了他的声明,或是改了他们和他讨论的内容 。听到这个消息,你作何反应?嗯,首先,自从迈克尔·弗林离开白宫后,我就没有和他说过话 。一周后,我和他通过电话,确保他还好 。但我觉得迈克尔·弗林——发生了一些事 。我不太确定 。即便我认识他,我与他共事,关系比较近 。但发生了一些事,不管是情报界决定让他离开,因为他要对情报界进行改革,他们对此表示恐惧,还是因为他是一个薄弱环节 。目前,你是怎么让特朗普下台的?我们来寻找机会 。我是说,我们听了三年“我们怎么让特朗普下台?”这是俄罗斯弄的恶作剧,乌克兰,不管是什么,艳星,谁知道呢?但我认为迈克尔·弗林可能曾是最初的薄弱环节,他们觉得他们可以跟在他后面 。你认为他做错了什么?我不知道 。我是说,我没有参与那些会议,他说他和FBI特工说了一件事,然后他自相矛盾了 。我的确认为他做错了,因为他没有在文件中表明自己是外国特工,尤其是在土耳其那个案子里